he gets half a trillion dollars in defense cuts. yes, he gets a half a trillion dollars in cuts in domestic programs. they'll be much more than that in any negotiating deal, so this is actually a very good deal for the president to just say i'm putting forth good faith and if you don't do everything i want, then i've got a fall back i can live with. >> here's another thing that he says. maybe you ca can explain this. he's quoted as saying let tax rates on the upper income folks go up and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 where we will work on tax reform. we'll look at what loopholes, and he goes on. what american is ever going to believe a president or anyone else that later on the government is going to do this? i mean, does he think -- i mean, it's absurd. no american is going to trust that i'm here from the government and here to help you or don't worry, we're going to do this alert. >> it goes back to the basic premise i stated which i don't think the president really wants a deal. he's happy wit